Comments on: Monday’s Thoughts http://tcextra.com/terrycowgill/2007/11/12/mondays-thoughts/ What's Going On Here? Mon, 08 Sep 2008 16:59:44 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.3.2 By: Peter Halle http://tcextra.com/terrycowgill/2007/11/12/mondays-thoughts/#comment-128842 Peter Halle Wed, 14 Nov 2007 14:49:34 +0000 http://tcextra.com/terrycowgill/2007/11/12/mondays-thoughts/#comment-128842 If you are going to compare our civil liberties with those of Pakistan, why not Saudi Arabia or Libya. No, I think perspective would mean comparing our CL to Western Europe, or perhaps what they were 10 years ago, or perhaps what the founding fathers intended. The questions are whether the political and social climate in Pakistan calls for draconian measures, and whether security issues here justify torture and eavesdropping. If you are going to compare our civil liberties with those of Pakistan, why not Saudi Arabia or Libya. No, I think perspective would mean comparing our CL to Western Europe, or perhaps what they were 10 years ago, or perhaps what the founding fathers intended. The questions are whether the political and social climate in Pakistan calls for draconian measures, and whether security issues here justify torture and eavesdropping.

]]> By: Terry http://tcextra.com/terrycowgill/2007/11/12/mondays-thoughts/#comment-128457 Terry Tue, 13 Nov 2007 17:17:41 +0000 http://tcextra.com/terrycowgill/2007/11/12/mondays-thoughts/#comment-128457 Marshall, I guess we're arguing over one word, "fret," which means "to feel or express worry, annoyance, discontent, or the like," which sounds like what you do when you get on this subject. Be that as it may, I'm willing to cut the government a little slack as they root out terrorists. I'm not sure all the measures are necessary, but it's not something I worry about every day. I realize the loss of civil liberties can be more subtle than what's happening in Pakistan, but Mushaarf's emergency law declaration does make you stop and think. People would never tolerate anything like that here, nor would any president (Bush included) even contemplate such a measure. That's my perspective, for what it's worth. Marshall,

I guess we’re arguing over one word, “fret,” which means “to feel or express worry, annoyance, discontent, or the like,” which sounds like what you do when you get on this subject.

Be that as it may, I’m willing to cut the government a little slack as they root out terrorists. I’m not sure all the measures are necessary, but it’s not something I worry about every day.

I realize the loss of civil liberties can be more subtle than what’s happening in Pakistan, but Mushaarf’s emergency law declaration does make you stop and think.

People would never tolerate anything like that here, nor would any president (Bush included) even contemplate such a measure. That’s my perspective, for what it’s worth.

]]> By: Marshall http://tcextra.com/terrycowgill/2007/11/12/mondays-thoughts/#comment-128004 Marshall Mon, 12 Nov 2007 19:29:26 +0000 http://tcextra.com/terrycowgill/2007/11/12/mondays-thoughts/#comment-128004 I have to disagree. I don't call it "FRETTING" about the loss of civil rights, I call it trying to elt others know about our loss of civil liberties that we took for granted, and now they are gone. If you honestly think that any email, or electronic communication is not intercepted by our goverment, if you honestly feel that demonstrators at rallys are not being videotaped and filed away, if you honestly think that google, yahoo, etc are not in cahoots with our goverments and other goverments, and if you honestly think that most of the "press" out of Washington D.C. is not being manipulated... Then shame on you. I am not a person that believes in conspiracy theories..but... I am realistic. Racial profiling, people locked away without representation, etc.. THis is NOT the America we all learned about many years ago, the America that became the melting pot for the world. Its stil a great place, just less great and free than it used to be...but more distressing, is that its heading in the wrong direction, with no seeming ability to right itself. My perspective is just fine, thank you. Its a depressing persepective, but it is based in reality. I have to disagree. I don’t call it “FRETTING” about the loss of civil rights, I call it trying to elt others know about our loss of civil liberties that we took for granted, and now they are gone.

If you honestly think that any email, or electronic communication is not intercepted by our goverment, if you honestly feel that demonstrators at rallys are not being videotaped and filed away, if you honestly think that google, yahoo, etc are not in cahoots with our goverments and other goverments, and if you honestly think that most of the “press” out of Washington D.C. is not being manipulated…

Then shame on you.

I am not a person that believes in conspiracy theories..but…

I am realistic. Racial profiling, people locked away without representation, etc..

THis is NOT the America we all learned about many years ago, the America that became the melting pot for the world.

Its stil a great place, just less great and free than it used to be…but more distressing, is that its heading in the wrong direction, with no seeming ability to right itself.

My perspective is just fine, thank you. Its a depressing persepective, but it is based in reality.

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