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		<title>By: Yankee</title>
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		<dc:creator>Yankee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Oct 2006 17:46:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Terry,

As a loyal subscriber to the NYT, I have to agree, sadly, with your general observation about the paper's increasing willingness to sprinkle the barely-hidden opinions of the staff over the news pages. It is regrettable in the extreme, undercuts the paper's credibility, and you are right to criticize the trend. I trust our local paper will not emulate the NYT in this regard.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Terry,</p>
<p>As a loyal subscriber to the NYT, I have to agree, sadly, with your general observation about the paper&#8217;s increasing willingness to sprinkle the barely-hidden opinions of the staff over the news pages. It is regrettable in the extreme, undercuts the paper&#8217;s credibility, and you are right to criticize the trend. I trust our local paper will not emulate the NYT in this regard.</p>
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		<title>By: Jake</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jake</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Oct 2006 19:21:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Terry -

Take a look at this...

&lt;a target="_blank" href="http://www.micropersuasion.com/2006/10/how_to_get_the_.html" rel="nofollow"&gt;http://www.micropersuasion.com/2006/10/how_to_get_the_.html&lt;/a&gt;

It has some interesting ways of using Technorati feeds to build your own blog version of the Slate page you mention. Obviously, the "Meme" sites already do this, but for people who are looking for even more refined daily info from blogs, the technorati feeds work well.

PS Is that the Robin that your schoolmates swooned over?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Terry -</p>
<p>Take a look at this&#8230;</p>
<p><a target="_blank" href="http://www.micropersuasion.com/2006/10/how_to_get_the_.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.micropersuasion.com/2006/10/how_to_get_the_.html</a></p>
<p>It has some interesting ways of using Technorati feeds to build your own blog version of the Slate page you mention. Obviously, the &#8220;Meme&#8221; sites already do this, but for people who are looking for even more refined daily info from blogs, the technorati feeds work well.</p>
<p>PS Is that the Robin that your schoolmates swooned over?</p>
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		<title>By: Terry</title>
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		<dc:creator>Terry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Oct 2006 18:45:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Peter,

It wouldn't surprise you to find that I disagree. The beauty of living in our current technological era is we don't need a &lt;strong&gt;single source&lt;/strong&gt; for news. Like Fred, I scan the headlines using the aforementioned Today's Papers and investigate anything that looks interesting (such as the Cheney/Kansas piece).

I read the NYT every day religiously for more than 20 years. I never really felt like I was sufficiently informed unless I had at least scanned the A section and the eddy and op-ed pages. There are so many alternatives now that it scarcely makes sense to rely on any one source (or even 2 or 3). Like Fred (I never thought Fred and I had &lt;strong&gt;that&lt;/strong&gt; much in common!), I gravitate toward commentary and analysis that I think will give me a better insight into what's really going on than the Ivy Leaguers at the House That Jayson Blair Built.

The problem with The Times is this Kansas piece is part of a pattern of snottiness I have noticed for the last several years, reaching its apex with Howell Raines and continuing under Bill Keller. And the beauty of the Internet is smaller operations on the web are eating into the Times readership and even its advertising dollars. Circulation and ad revenue are shrinking at newspapers, particularly big dailes, and there is a good reason for that. The web is a the great equalizer.

Newspapers such as the LJ, which serve small communities, are not under as much of a threat, because, frankly, we don't have a whole lot of competition. But still, I wonder how many newspaper presses will be running in 20-30 years.

For a sampling of the day's commentary, I highly recommend &lt;a rel="nofollow" target="_blank" href="http://www.realclearpolitics.com/" rel="nofollow"&gt;RealClearPolitics&lt;/a&gt;. For straight news, other than TP, I look at &lt;a rel="nofollow" target="_blank" href="http://news.google.com/nwshp?hl=en&#038;tab=wn&#038;q=" rel="nofollow"&gt;Google News&lt;/a&gt; and click on whatever looks interesting. And using an RSS feed, I monitor the blogs such as those links I list on the rail on the right side of my home page.

A good friend of mine who has done extensive consulting work for newspapers, predicts that in 10 years, the NYT will be owned by Yahoo or a similiar operation. You heard it here (and on &lt;a rel="nofollow" target="_blank" href="http://spyralnotebook.blogspot.com/" rel="nofollow"&gt;his blog&lt;/a&gt; as well).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Peter,</p>
<p>It wouldn&#8217;t surprise you to find that I disagree. The beauty of living in our current technological era is we don&#8217;t need a <strong>single source</strong> for news. Like Fred, I scan the headlines using the aforementioned Today&#8217;s Papers and investigate anything that looks interesting (such as the Cheney/Kansas piece).</p>
<p>I read the NYT every day religiously for more than 20 years. I never really felt like I was sufficiently informed unless I had at least scanned the A section and the eddy and op-ed pages. There are so many alternatives now that it scarcely makes sense to rely on any one source (or even 2 or 3). Like Fred (I never thought Fred and I had <strong>that</strong> much in common!), I gravitate toward commentary and analysis that I think will give me a better insight into what&#8217;s really going on than the Ivy Leaguers at the House That Jayson Blair Built.</p>
<p>The problem with The Times is this Kansas piece is part of a pattern of snottiness I have noticed for the last several years, reaching its apex with Howell Raines and continuing under Bill Keller. And the beauty of the Internet is smaller operations on the web are eating into the Times readership and even its advertising dollars. Circulation and ad revenue are shrinking at newspapers, particularly big dailes, and there is a good reason for that. The web is a the great equalizer.</p>
<p>Newspapers such as the LJ, which serve small communities, are not under as much of a threat, because, frankly, we don&#8217;t have a whole lot of competition. But still, I wonder how many newspaper presses will be running in 20-30 years.</p>
<p>For a sampling of the day&#8217;s commentary, I highly recommend <a rel="nofollow" target="_blank" href="http://www.realclearpolitics.com/" rel="nofollow">RealClearPolitics</a>. For straight news, other than TP, I look at <a rel="nofollow" target="_blank" href="http://news.google.com/nwshp?hl=en&#038;tab=wn&#038;q=" rel="nofollow">Google News</a> and click on whatever looks interesting. And using an RSS feed, I monitor the blogs such as those links I list on the rail on the right side of my home page.</p>
<p>A good friend of mine who has done extensive consulting work for newspapers, predicts that in 10 years, the NYT will be owned by Yahoo or a similiar operation. You heard it here (and on <a rel="nofollow" target="_blank" href="http://spyralnotebook.blogspot.com/" rel="nofollow">his blog</a> as well).</p>
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		<title>By: Fred Baumgarten</title>
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		<dc:creator>Fred Baumgarten</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Oct 2006 17:29:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why, the Lakeville Journal, of course!

But seriously, you make a good point, Peter.  However, I actually ignore 50% of the news as it appears in the NYT, because like the Cheney story, it's not really news.  I ignore another 50% because it's depressing and pointless to worry about.  The third 50% I get in the form of headlines from online sources (including the NYT online); then I go to sources of analysis that I believe tell me what's really going on.  I will demur on revealing these because they would just get me ridiculed for the flaming radical that I am.

I will say, however, that I am a true relativist.  I believed that there is no "truth" and certainly no "objective" reporting, in the NYT or anywhere else.

--Fred--</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why, the Lakeville Journal, of course!</p>
<p>But seriously, you make a good point, Peter.  However, I actually ignore 50% of the news as it appears in the NYT, because like the Cheney story, it&#8217;s not really news.  I ignore another 50% because it&#8217;s depressing and pointless to worry about.  The third 50% I get in the form of headlines from online sources (including the NYT online); then I go to sources of analysis that I believe tell me what&#8217;s really going on.  I will demur on revealing these because they would just get me ridiculed for the flaming radical that I am.</p>
<p>I will say, however, that I am a true relativist.  I believed that there is no &#8220;truth&#8221; and certainly no &#8220;objective&#8221; reporting, in the NYT or anywhere else.</p>
<p>&#8211;Fred&#8211;</p>
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		<title>By: Peter Halle</title>
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		<dc:creator>Peter Halle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Oct 2006 16:13:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Please tell me a single better source for the news.  CNN.com or TV, WSJ, Drudge, Fox, Daily News, USA Today?  Come on, every source has loser articles and journalists.  And bias is part of all sources; it can co-exist with truth.  At least you know where the Times stands, and can mentally filter.  And their editorials are almost always right-on (OK, my own bias), even if their op-eds are sometimes hard to take.  For a serious journalist to exclude the Times would be like cutting off your nose to spite your face.  That said, what is Maureen Dowd smoking (or drinking)?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Please tell me a single better source for the news.  CNN.com or TV, WSJ, Drudge, Fox, Daily News, USA Today?  Come on, every source has loser articles and journalists.  And bias is part of all sources; it can co-exist with truth.  At least you know where the Times stands, and can mentally filter.  And their editorials are almost always right-on (OK, my own bias), even if their op-eds are sometimes hard to take.  For a serious journalist to exclude the Times would be like cutting off your nose to spite your face.  That said, what is Maureen Dowd smoking (or drinking)?</p>
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		<title>By: Fred Baumgarten</title>
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		<dc:creator>Fred Baumgarten</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Oct 2006 13:43:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Terry,

The digs here seem mostly aimed at the Veep himself, not at his Kansas fans, who are not held to blame for continuing to support him.  On the whole I agree that this is a trashy piece of journalism, and I wouldn't have bothered to read it had you not called attention to it.  Like you and others, I have stopped reading the NYT for the most part, though of course my perception is that it is a mouthpiece of the mainstream/status quo, e.g. helped grease the wheels for Iraq.  I don't find it to be a reliable source for news.

--Fred--</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Terry,</p>
<p>The digs here seem mostly aimed at the Veep himself, not at his Kansas fans, who are not held to blame for continuing to support him.  On the whole I agree that this is a trashy piece of journalism, and I wouldn&#8217;t have bothered to read it had you not called attention to it.  Like you and others, I have stopped reading the NYT for the most part, though of course my perception is that it is a mouthpiece of the mainstream/status quo, e.g. helped grease the wheels for Iraq.  I don&#8217;t find it to be a reliable source for news.</p>
<p>&#8211;Fred&#8211;</p>
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		<title>By: Terry</title>
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		<dc:creator>Terry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Oct 2006 12:17:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Robin,

Looks like Cheney in the photo to me.

I read the Times piece only because someone drew my attention to it. That is generally the only time I look at the NYT anymore. I first learned about it in &lt;a rel="nofollow" target="_blank" href="http://www.slate.com/id/2151643/" rel="nofollow"&gt;yesterday's Today's Papers&lt;/a&gt; feature in Slate Magazine. BTW, TP is an excellent summary of that morning's coverage and I recommend it highly.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Robin,</p>
<p>Looks like Cheney in the photo to me.</p>
<p>I read the Times piece only because someone drew my attention to it. That is generally the only time I look at the NYT anymore. I first learned about it in <a rel="nofollow" target="_blank" href="http://www.slate.com/id/2151643/" rel="nofollow">yesterday&#8217;s Today&#8217;s Papers</a> feature in Slate Magazine. BTW, TP is an excellent summary of that morning&#8217;s coverage and I recommend it highly.</p>
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		<title>By: Robin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Robin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Oct 2006 11:07:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Terry: That picture in the Times piece hardly looks like Dick Cheney shaking Ryun's hand!  Who was it?  You sound like other people who read papers/periodicals etc and write in to say they stop reading them (or have) and yet you read this in the Times, so I guess you are still 'hooked'! Cheers!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Terry: That picture in the Times piece hardly looks like Dick Cheney shaking Ryun&#8217;s hand!  Who was it?  You sound like other people who read papers/periodicals etc and write in to say they stop reading them (or have) and yet you read this in the Times, so I guess you are still &#8216;hooked&#8217;! Cheers!</p>
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		<title>By: jake</title>
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		<dc:creator>jake</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Oct 2006 01:19:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Seems the NYT thinks that Cheney's forty-five minute interview on Fox shortly after the shooting incident constitutes "barely acknowledging it publicly". Guess they don't watch much TV.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Seems the NYT thinks that Cheney&#8217;s forty-five minute interview on Fox shortly after the shooting incident constitutes &#8220;barely acknowledging it publicly&#8221;. Guess they don&#8217;t watch much TV.</p>
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		<title>By: Marshall Miles</title>
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		<dc:creator>Marshall Miles</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Oct 2006 22:24:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Terry.....this piece is no worse than most of the other babble being produced by reporters, editors, and publishers that 35 years ago when I started in radio, would not even be considered acceptable to be copy editors! The media is full of left and right wing agenda pushers posing as reporters...print, on-air, you name it. If I were you, stick to the "funnies"! Come to think of it, even the comics are political nowadays!!!!!

But I will say, our political leaders on all sides are pretty weak...we need some strong leaders in both the media and politics!

Marshall</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Terry&#8230;..this piece is no worse than most of the other babble being produced by reporters, editors, and publishers that 35 years ago when I started in radio, would not even be considered acceptable to be copy editors! The media is full of left and right wing agenda pushers posing as reporters&#8230;print, on-air, you name it. If I were you, stick to the &#8220;funnies&#8221;! Come to think of it, even the comics are political nowadays!!!!!</p>
<p>But I will say, our political leaders on all sides are pretty weak&#8230;we need some strong leaders in both the media and politics!</p>
<p>Marshall</p>
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